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  Identify This German City     Tue 1st Jan 2008 05:55:30

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I guess this is a German town as the signs are in German and I think there are German flags flying in the center, background; note the US flag, too, though. AZO stamp box dates this 1904-18. Does anyone have an idea what city this is?

Signs include "Stellervermittlerin" (Employment Agency), "Heinr. Johnke Cigarren" and "Musik Haus"

Thanks in advance for any help!
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  Identify This German City     Tue 1st Jan 2008 05:56:44

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In response to Alan65 [100% (2042x)][PRO] Club+ member: Gold  :
I guess this is a German town as the signs are in German and I think there are German flags flying in the center, background; note the US flag, too, though. AZO stamp box dates this 1904-18. Does anyone have an idea what city this is?

Signs include "Stellervermittlerin" (Employment Agency), "Heinr. Johnke Cigarren" and "Musik Haus"

Thanks in advance for any help!

Bet this would help. . . :crazy:
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  Identify This German City     Wed 2nd Jan 2008 13:10:23

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In response to Alan65 [100% (2042x)][PRO] Club+ member: Gold  :
Bet this would help. . . :crazy:

Hi Alan,

Could you show a close-up of the tram?
It might give a clue to some rail fans (not me!).

Happy new year! :veryhappy:

Manu
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  Identify This German City     Wed 2nd Jan 2008 15:10:15

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Hi Alan,

Could you show a close-up of the tram?
It might give a clue to some rail fans (not me!).

Happy new year! :veryhappy:

Manu

Here's the tram.
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  Identify This German City     Wed 2nd Jan 2008 15:12:37

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Here's the tram.

The more I look at this old view, the more I like it!

Happy New Year to you, too! You were a big help in '07, Manug, and here's to more good interaction in '08.
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  Identify This German City     Wed 2nd Jan 2008 17:04:11

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Hi Alan,

Could you show a close-up of the tram?
It might give a clue to some rail fans (not me!).

Happy new year! :veryhappy:

Manu

bonjour cousin manny and alan,
it is quite possible that this city might not exist like this at all today if it were in germany considering the damage done in ww2 and the reconstruction done afterwards. is there a back to the card and any clues from it? a postmark perhaps? an address? and a happy new year to both of you mes amis.

amities,
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:D
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  Identify This German City     Wed 2nd Jan 2008 17:12:02

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bonjour cousin manny and alan,
it is quite possible that this city might not exist like this at all today if it were in germany considering the damage done in ww2 and the reconstruction done afterwards. is there a back to the card and any clues from it? a postmark perhaps? an address? and a happy new year to both of you mes amis.

amities,
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:D

No, it's unused; 4-triangles-up AZO stamp box.

I was curious, too, what the US flags were doing.

someone may know the style of street-car based on what they see in the image.

that's the joy of postcards, cajunsr, seeing 'the way things used to be'!
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  Identify This German City     Wed 2nd Jan 2008 17:53:51

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In response to Alan65 [100% (2042x)][PRO] Club+ member: Gold  :
No, it's unused; 4-triangles-up AZO stamp box.

I was curious, too, what the US flags were doing.

someone may know the style of street-car based on what they see in the image.

that's the joy of postcards, cajunsr, seeing 'the way things used to be'!

hi alan,
i understand what you're sayin'. this is history in a nutshell. it's like seeing things here in tampa years ago and now. or back in louisiana when i lived there and now. it's so sad to see beautiful structures torn down for ugly monsters they have in their place. but some have been saved in tampa like the tampa theater and university of tampa. but other historic buildings were razed esp. our old courthouse for no reason at all. beautiful spanish architecture gone forever. all for the love of money. :angryfire: :smash:

amities,
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:D

'the tampa theater stage with the wurlitzer organ'
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  Identify This German City     Wed 2nd Jan 2008 17:57:44

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hi alan,
i understand what you're sayin'. this is history in a nutshell. it's like seeing things here in tampa years ago and now. or back in louisiana when i lived there and now. it's so sad to see beautiful structures torn down for ugly monsters they have in their place. but some have been saved in tampa like the tampa theater and university of tampa. but other historic buildings were razed esp. our old courthouse for no reason at all. beautiful spanish architecture gone forever. all for the love of money. :angryfire: :smash:

amities,
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:D

'the tampa theater stage with the wurlitzer organ'

a link to the tampa theater:

Link (http)



'the lobby'
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  Identify This German City     Wed 2nd Jan 2008 20:43:57

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In response to Alan65 [100% (2042x)][PRO] Club+ member: Gold  :
I guess this is a German town as the signs are in German and I think there are German flags flying in the center, background; note the US flag, too, though. AZO stamp box dates this 1904-18. Does anyone have an idea what city this is?

Signs include "Stellervermittlerin" (Employment Agency), "Heinr. Johnke Cigarren" and "Musik Haus"

Thanks in advance for any help!

"Heinr. Jöhnke" or "Heinrich Jöhnke" both give no hits on Google, so no help there. :dunno:
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  Identify This German City     Mon 7th Jan 2008 22:02:54

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In response to Alan65 [100% (2042x)][PRO] Club+ member: Gold  :
Here's the tram.

Hi Alan and all,

Sorry, our friend 600Volts (the tram specialist) can't help this time...
You will have to search at random through 110120 Germany pcs!
It works, sometimes... :yes:
Thankfully it's not France... :shoot:

Regards,
Manu :beer:
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  Identify This German City     Mon 7th Jan 2008 23:07:57

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Hi Alan and all,

Sorry, our friend 600Volts (the tram specialist) can't help this time...
You will have to search at random through 110120 Germany pcs!
It works, sometimes... :yes:
Thankfully it's not France... :shoot:

Regards,
Manu :beer:

Thank you, Manug and "merci" to 600Volts!

I will start right away on the German towns. . . :ahah:
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  Identify This German City     Sun 24th Feb 2008 13:12:18

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In response to Alan65 [100% (2042x)][PRO] Club+ member: Gold  :
Here's the tram.

As far as I can see ,must be a city in Germany around Early 30,s.
Below is a postcard of Stuttgart with the same style trams.:rose:Bdog
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  Identify This German City     Wed 9th Jul 2008 08:07:07

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In response to Bobplusdog [100% (1880x)] Club+ member: Gold  :
As far as I can see ,must be a city in Germany around Early 30,s.
Below is a postcard of Stuttgart with the same style trams.:rose:Bdog

If the Stars and Stripes is anything to go by the picture dates between July 1908 and July 12- flag looks like a 46 star version - current between those dates.
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  Identify This German City     Wed 9th Jul 2008 15:41:04

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If the Stars and Stripes is anything to go by the picture dates between July 1908 and July 12- flag looks like a 46 star version - current between those dates.

Thanks for the help in dating the flag--can't believe I didn't think of that!
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  Identify This German City     Wed 9th Jul 2008 17:39:24

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In response to Alan65 [100% (2042x)][PRO] Club+ member: Gold  :
Thanks for the help in dating the flag--can't believe I didn't think of that!

bonjour alan,
me too, but i really didn't notice the american flag. boy, do i need my new glasses from the VA. :what: here is a link that will help on the flags.:

Link (http)

it shows the 46 star flag toward the bottom. good luck.

amities,
cajunsr.
:D
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  Identify This German City     Sat 26th Jul 2008 23:04:56

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If the Stars and Stripes is anything to go by the picture dates between July 1908 and July 12- flag looks like a 46 star version - current between those dates.

But since this is in Germany I don't think you can be sure they would have the current US flag. It can't be earler, but I guess it might be much later than the "correct" period for the 46 star flag.
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  Identify This German City     Sun 27th Jul 2008 00:19:59

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But since this is in Germany I don't think you can be sure they would have the current US flag. It can't be earler, but I guess it might be much later than the "correct" period for the 46 star flag.


bonsoir bjorn,
if it is indeed a 46 star flag, the time period for whatever city this is would be bracketed to between july 1908 to july 1912. the flag changed after that with the admittance of two new states in 1912, new mexico and arizona. this card is proving to be most challenging to alan. :gna:

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:D
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  Identify This German City     Sun 27th Jul 2008 09:10:59

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bonsoir bjorn,
if it is indeed a 46 star flag, the time period for whatever city this is would be bracketed to between july 1908 to july 1912. the flag changed after that with the admittance of two new states in 1912, new mexico and arizona. this card is proving to be most challenging to alan. :gna:

amities,
cajunsr.
:D

No, my point was that a 46 star flag could well have been used in Germany long after July 1912, unless used by a US consulate or some other official place which would be sure to use the correct one. It's impossible to see who's flying this flag.
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  Identify This German City     Sun 27th Jul 2008 14:45:59

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No, my point was that a 46 star flag could well have been used in Germany long after July 1912, unless used by a US consulate or some other official place which would be sure to use the correct one. It's impossible to see who's flying this flag.


bonjour bjorn,

granted, this may be true, but let's look at history too. would this flag have been flown in germany during ww1 or ww2? of course not. and probably not after ww1 either with the political fallout toward the americans. but then i am no expert on european history. i have never visited there, only asia twice in my life, and at times of war. once when i was very young with my dad during the korean war, then when i was in vietnam as a medic. my brother, who is an international lawyer, has visited europe would know far more than myself on the subject. but he is also more educated than poor cajun:znaika:..... so he thinks, i'm the older brother. :wink2:and with age comes a little more wisdom. :gna:

un bonne dimanche a vous.

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  Or SWISS city ?     Sat 30th Aug 2008 23:46:06

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In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (631x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
bonjour bjorn,

granted, this may be true, but let's look at history too. would this flag have been flown in germany during ww1 or ww2? of course not. and probably not after ww1 either with the political fallout toward the americans. but then i am no expert on european history. i have never visited there, only asia twice in my life, and at times of war. once when i was very young with my dad during the korean war, then when i was in vietnam as a medic. my brother, who is an international lawyer, has visited europe would know far more than myself on the subject. but he is also more educated than poor cajun:znaika:..... so he thinks, i'm the older brother. :wink2:and with age comes a little more wisdom. :gna:

un bonne dimanche a vous.

amities,
cajunsr.
:D

This may very well be in Switzerland, not Germany.

Notice the spelling Cigarren rather than Zigarren.
The Swiss also use Cigaretten instead of Zigarretten.

The mixture of national flags is nothing very extraordinary. You can see a mixture of flags, including American flags prominently in London, especially on big hotels, for example the Grosvenor near Victoria Station.

I hope you all enjoyed the exhibtion near there and chatted to Sebastian, Evelyn and Melanei.

Jim
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  Identify This German City     Sat 30th Aug 2008 23:49:16

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No, my point was that a 46 star flag could well have been used in Germany long after July 1912, unless used by a US consulate or some other official place which would be sure to use the correct one. It's impossible to see who's flying this flag.


That is true, it could have been an old flag.

Approximately 1980 I saw a British hotel flying an Austrian flag apparently dating from before the first world war.

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  Or SWISS city ?     Sun 31st Aug 2008 00:10:34

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This may very well be in Switzerland, not Germany.

Notice the spelling Cigarren rather than Zigarren.
The Swiss also use Cigaretten instead of Zigarretten.

The mixture of national flags is nothing very extraordinary. You can see a mixture of flags, including American flags prominently in London, especially on big hotels, for example the Grosvenor near Victoria Station.

I hope you all enjoyed the exhibtion near there and chatted to Sebastian, Evelyn and Melanei.

Jim

bonsoir pixcards,

hmmmm, as i am no expert, this possibility was never brought to light by the others on the postcard forum. and many of them have travelled throughout europe. why do they miss these small clues. but i ask, where are the alps? :gna:


amities,
cajunsr.
:D
a man of the swamps, not mountains.
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bonsoir pixcards,

hmmmm, as i am no expert, this possibility was never brought to light by the others on the postcard forum. and many of them have travelled throughout europe. why do they miss these small clues. but i ask, where are the alps? :gna:


amities,
cajunsr.
:D
a man of the swamps, not mountains.


Most Swiss cities are on relatiely flat land towards the north of the country. The Alps are not spectacularly visible except on very clear days and on postcards.

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  Identify This German of more probably SWISS City     Sun 31st Aug 2008 01:15:57

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If the Stars and Stripes is anything to go by the picture dates between July 1908 and July 12- flag looks like a 46 star version - current between those dates.

The women's clothes would fit with this actually, not the 1930s.

I am not sure, but I think Musik Haus is more likely to be in Switzerland than Germany, which would probably favour Musikhaus. I have been in a shop in Germany called Herrenbekleidungshaus as far as I can remember (gentlemensclothinghouse).

Germany always favoured the more strictly Germanic versions, with long words, and with Z instead of C, whereas Switzerland was more cosmopolitan.

I think the buildings have a slightly French look about them, like Geneva, which would put it in the German-speaking part of Switzerland near the Fench part, possibly Freiburg/Freibourg or Basel/Bale.

Jim
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  Identify This German of more probably SWISS City     Sun 31st Aug 2008 01:30:35

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The women's clothes would fit with this actually, not the 1930s.

I am not sure, but I think Musik Haus is more likely to be in Switzerland than Germany, which would probably favour Musikhaus. I have been in a shop in Germany called Herrenbekleidungshaus as far as I can remember (gentlemensclothinghouse).

Germany always favoured the more strictly Germanic versions, with long words, and with Z instead of C, whereas Switzerland was more cosmopolitan.

I think the buildings have a slightly French look about them, like Geneva, which would put it in the German-speaking part of Switzerland near the Fench part, possibly Freiburg/Freibourg or Basel/Bale.

Jim

re-bonsoir pixcards,

perhaps this information should be relayed to the original person who asked the question about his postcard. i am sure he will appreciate your observations. :yes:

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